Alicia McKenzie (00:00.13)

How much of the content that you're seeing on the web is reproduced artificial garbage?

Yeah, I would say probably a ton of it. I'd say better than 50 % now, and I'm sure it's going to just exponentially increase because the cost to create is so low.

So are humans gonna lose the ability to create? Are we gonna lose that creative thought because we don't have to do it anymore? Welcome to Mary to the Startup. I'm Alicia McKenzie, a wellness entrepreneur and digital creator.

Alongside me is my amazing husband, George, the CEO who's always ready for a new challenge. We've been navigating marriage and running startups for over a decade. And we're here to share the real unfiltered journey with you. Join us for insights and candid conversations about integrating love, family, and entrepreneurship. This is Married to the Startup, where every day is a new adventure. All right, and we are back for episode 34 of Married to the Startup. I'm your host, Alicia McKenzie.

George McKenzie (01:01.486)

I am your co-host.

I feel like I need to turn you down. You're kind of loud today. Yeah.

I am. I am George McKendee. I am. Scotchy, Scotchy, Scotch. Good in the belly.

Is that a question?

Alicia McKenzie (01:15.406)

Two weeks ago, I went to a party. Did you? And I went with the ladies of Next Chapter. I met a woman there. Go on. And she was talking about just how she got invited, what she was doing there, a little bit about their business. But then we got on the subject of children, and she told me that she had four children. And I was like, oh, wow, I have five.

Okay.

Alicia McKenzie (01:42.24)

And she's like, finally, somebody who understands what it's like having multiples and somebody that I can relate to. She because a lot of her friends only had one or two children and she has a hard time listening to them complain about her one or two children when she has four. And right then I was turned off by the conversation because whether you have one child or five children,

Parenting is hard, period. Agreed. knowing how to parent one child is really difficult because you've never done it before. Like you second guess everything. You're like, should I be doing this? Should I be doing that? so and so told me I should do this. But then other so and so told me that that's the wrong way to do it. Like you have all of these conflicting opinions in your head and everybody's got their damn ideas of what works and what doesn't. And it's just.

so hard to block out the noise and parent your one child. And the lack of empathy for women that have one child or two children or three children, like I feel like coming as a mom of five, I'm super empathetic to mothers, period, because I know it's hard.

parenting is hard and you know whether it's one or five I would agree and you can't it's hard to look at someone else's situation and try to judge it based on yours because everybody is in their situations are so different having one child like you said you don't know how to do anything it's everything is for the first time yeah you run out and you you buy all the expensive things like I'm gonna get a baby wipe warmer so that it's warm for the baby and

Right?

George McKenzie (03:27.054)

gonna get these fancy diapers and get this that and the other. By the time you get to the fifth one, you're like, I just want wipes. I don't really care if they were in the car last night or where they I just need some wipes. And I'm just gonna put them everywhere around the house because I'm gonna need them all the time.

Yeah, yeah. just the, I don't know, the lack of empathy was such a turnoff. And right then, like the conversation just kind of died for me and I just stopped listening. And I politely exited myself because I was not enjoying the conversation anymore. And I don't like to be judgy, but I just think that empathy is such a good trait. And when I see that you're lacking that for mothers, I'm not about it, but...

Mm.

Alicia McKenzie (04:11.63)

I think that is a good caveat into our first topic of today, which is no. Good job. Good guess. Okay. It's not. You don't. You're talking out of turn. It is the M dash. The M dash.

I'm trying to guess.

Did you get a half point? No.

I'm after this.

George McKenzie (04:34.299)

All damn dash. What 99 % of America does not know what it is. Or that there's a keyboard shortcut to produce one.

Yeah, there is a keyboard shortcut. Is it different on a Mac than it is in Windows? It is. What's the Mac keyboard shortcut for the M dash? I don't know. So you mentioned a shortcut, but you don't tell me what it is? Because you looked it up.

Why would I know that? I'm not chat GPT. I don't use dash in my normal turn of phrase.

So if you have not used ChatGPT, you are probably a part of the 1 % that hasn't done it by now. But within a lot of the content that ChatGPT produces, there is a double dash, which is known as an dash. And that is the key giveaway that whatever you are copying and pasting into whatever platform you're trying to get help with creating content for, whether it's LinkedIn or

Let's call it a blog post. There will inevitably be the elusive dash and it's very easy to overlook if you don't know what you're looking for. But it is a key giveaway that you are using artificial intelligence to produce your content or to produce anything like an email or

George McKenzie (05:48.687)

Yeah, I wonder why. I wonder why those LL alarms are deferring to an dash when it's not a character.

It's not a common. No. And that just leads me to my next subject, which is the end of original thought. How much of the content that you're seeing on the web is reproduced artificial garbage?

Yeah, I would say probably a ton of it. I'd say better than 50 % now. And I'm sure it's going to just exponentially increase because the cost to create is so low, right? It takes a few seconds to generate tons and tons of content via AI and then just copy and paste it into social media and platform de jour or with agentic AI and some of those other advancements. You know, we need a human in the loop. You can just have it post every day. Yeah.

So are humans going to lose the ability to create? Are we going to lose that creative thought? Because we don't have to do it anymore.

Yeah, I'm sure it's a muscle just like anything else if you're not exercising it not just like an imagination. I imagine Imagine can I say imagine three times in one sentence? but looking at our children and How they're always bored right and you know, we were growing up if you take you know, even past my generation when there wasn't video games to play there wasn't Television to watch you read books and you went outside and you used your imagination you made up stories you made up

Alicia McKenzie (06:57.804)

You can, good job.

George McKenzie (07:18.83)

games and pretended and you know, it's just full of make believe and imagination and nowadays there's very little of that unless it's you know, constructed as a parent because children if they're left to their own devices would grab a video game console or grab the TV remote and they no longer are using their imagination. They are being fed the information. So there's no imagination required. You just watch and observe. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

It's interesting and you look at movies nowadays, how many original movies are out there or even television shows? They're derivatives of something else.

or it's like an absolute remake of Twister.

Yeah, exactly. It's just a different take something that already existed and then just update it slightly or update the the characters but the storyline of the base of the the piece is the same. It's interesting to see. Only about inventions too or companies. Yeah. Same.

What mission impossible are we on now?

George McKenzie (08:19.5)

I don't know, but it's the last one. Is it? Apparently, yeah.

because Tom Cruise is going to be 100 years old soon.

Mission Impossible 1000.

My lord, how many ways can he blow up a car?

Yeah, but in the future like they're already doing it right and that's why was key to the actor strike is Leveraging AI to one generate content like scripts, but then to To take your name image and likeness and being able to reproduce it via AI so I don't need extras anymore movies those are all AI characters and Even you saw in the last couple Star Wars. They were even introducing AI characters right where they took

George McKenzie (08:59.928)

film from the past and regenerated a character with AI and the voice and the mannerisms and the look. So if you sign a contract with Disney and in that contract, they have rights to your name, image and likeness, and it gets loaded into an AI platform and now they can make a movie starring you without you having to be involved at all. So now, I mean, you don't even need...

you don't get paid.

George McKenzie (09:28.878)

The actors, So it'll be interesting. I mean, you can see how it could help because you can do cooler stunts and you can do things without risking human life. You can do just crazy stuff because it's just an AI person that's not really doing anything. But at the same time, you lose that imagination and you lose that creativity. Like you look at some of those silent films and the way they had to leverage painting and art to make

things look a certain way to trick the human eye into thinking someone's about to fall off this building when it was just camera angles and art. And now none of that's going to be required anymore.

Is there going to be a greater value placed on actual human created art and writing? Maybe. Right? It's going to become a scarcity, which means supply and demand. That painting that was $5,000 is now worth $50,000. I don't know, right? Like there's a reason we pay X amount of dollars for a handcrafted purse versus one that's stamped out in a factory somewhere.

Yeah, maybe.

Alicia McKenzie (10:38.35)

It's the craftsmanship, it's the smell of the leather, it's the way it feels, the way it lays. There's value in that. But when you make it cookie cutter and easy to produce, does it lose value?

Probably. don't know. That's a hard one because value is all in your position and the person that's buying it.

But look at like a car, right? Look at Ferrari or... but those cars take years to build. You can't just stop out of Ferrari.

marketing in the name.

George McKenzie (11:10.83)

Right. But some people look at it and hey, a car gets me from point A to point B. So it doesn't really matter. I'm just solving the equation and any car can do that versus someone who goes, hey, I want, I appreciate the artistry that went into constructing this vehicle and I get excited by the horsepower or the speed or yeah. It can, everybody's different.

Why can't it be a thing? Right? Like value is what somebody's willing to pay for.

That's right. It's the greatest lesson ever, right? How much does that house worth? It's worth whatever someone's willing to pay for it.

So that's like the creative side of things, but like what about just interacting with people? You see people using chat GPT now to troubleshoot human problems.

yeah. Right. I've seen, I think lots of people use it as a therapist or as a friend.

Alicia McKenzie (11:58.572)

Right? But then if you take that output from chat GPT and regurgitate it back to whoever you're having the issue with, like you're not learning how to do anything. You're just, you're just solving the problem. And then you probably aren't going to retain anything that you said because you read it to somebody and there goes that human skill, right? Like how do you manage conflict? You have a bunch of kids out on a playground who get into a fight and then you have two parents that come over and say, you tell me your side of the story.

you tell me your side of the story. And then somewhere in the middle, you apologize, you apologize, you two need to learn how to get along. Right? Like, we're gonna start losing that because we're not doing it.

Yeah, I don't know if AI is in a position right now to replace like a therapy session because it's spitting out facts from journals is much different than someone listening to you and asking you questions to get you to think about it and think about how someone else perceived your actions or how you you perceived your actions versus what the actions actually were versus ChatGPTU says, hey, that sounds like

Classic narcissism or that sounds like schizophrenia or that sounds like XYZ.

You may be bipolar, who knows?

George McKenzie (13:16.684)

Yeah, because it's, yeah, maybe AI is getting better and you can have those types of conversations with it.

Why do we want to?

want to. I mean, I can see the side that we're talking about. there's the flip side of that is accessibility. Yeah. Not everybody has access or time to speak to a therapist or see a doctor. And it's the middle of the night. And I'd rather just ask the question and get the answer than like, especially for a doctor, like WebMD took off and then everybody at home became a doctor, right? Everyone just goes to WebMD and says, this rash looks like it's poison ivy, obviously.

accessibility

George McKenzie (13:54.798)

Cause WebMD told me it was or I broke my foot.

Or you have cancer. Yes. Everything led to me having cancer.

Right. That's what I'm saying. So WebMD is similar, know, chat GPD takes it up another level where you're interacting with it. It asks a series of questions, kind like a doctor would, and then it looks in the medical journals and looks in the diagnosis and says, is what it is.

You're mentioning that, but I read an article the other day about a woman who said that the title was how chat GPT saved my life in 77 prompts. Right? But here's the thing, like she said, I really like in hindsight, I should have gone to the doctor and I would have been diagnosed.

Yeah. All right.

Alicia McKenzie (14:34.894)

way faster and put on antibiotics way faster than me going through these 77 different prompts to finally get to the problem. Because at one point she had convinced herself that she had scurvy and decided that vitamin C was the answer for her problem.

But AI is going to get better at that. It'll assist doctors, and it already does today, but it'll continue to assist. I try to think about when the pandemic happened and telemedicine became a bigger thing, and even with therapy, teletherapy became a bigger thing. I believe that barrier, knocking that barrier down as fast as we did, really created an access

But it's terrible.

George McKenzie (15:17.336)

for people like lower income people or people that, you know, maybe you're, you're working and you don't have time to go see a doctor. You don't have time to go make an appointment to that, but it's easy to do a 30 minute zoom session and you know, get my prescription filled, right. And I get my antibiotics or whatever. So I think the access that opens up and being able to do it from your phone and almost everybody has a phone today where you can, you know, FaceTime or video chat and be able to access things that used to take time, which were

you know, a luxury item, like working hourly or you're under the gun with time constraints, you're a single mother or whatever, and you have no time to go do these things. Now you can do those. So the access that it provided is amazing. And then now you say, okay, AI can amplify doctors. So if you're in a underserved community, but there's not a neighborhood doctor that's any good, or there's not a lot of doctors that you can get advice at some point in time will be.

clinically backed, like I can imagine in the future there'll be an AI chatbot that is backed by the FDA or backed by HHS, which says, hey, this thing is a doctor. It's passed the doctor, whatever test. I don't know. I'm speaking out of my ass. But I'm saying, I could see a future where that really helps people. And the same with the robot. Like, robot and those things come out. And if they are able to care for the elderly, like something that our humanity's having to...

going to have a crisis with when all the boomers are aging out, like who's going to take care of all of them? And if you had a robot that could assist and be friends and take care of them and be AI enabled to provide care and knowledge, wouldn't that be a good thing?

That just seems like the saddest existence to me, right?

George McKenzie (17:03.202)

Is it a person or the robot? The robot doesn't give a shit. It's just a robot. my God. Its existence is to do what we tell it.

Right? Like is that the direction we're going? Like you have your elderly, which in my opinion should be living in a family household somewhere. But you have your elderly population and the only person that wants to hang out with you is an AI robot. Like that's so sad. They can't listen. can't interact.

The future they will be able to chat. Chatbots interact.

There are human skills that you cannot replace with a robot.

I think the Chinese are trying to solve that one.

Alicia McKenzie (17:40.724)

No, stop. Like that's what makes me sad. Like there's a need for that human interaction.

There is, and maybe that's the stuff that will be more valuable in the future when AI becomes electricity and enables almost everything.

Speaking of electricity, like how do you power all this shit? Are you? mean is nuclear the answer? It's a scary ass answer, but

We're working on it.

George McKenzie (18:06.414)

I think it's the most efficient and it's outside of the few accidents. mean, there's a lot of it's gotten better. It's more efficient. It's cleaner. So I think.

Yeah. Would you live next to a nuclear power plant?

I don't know. We all live next to electrical lines, which aren't incredibly safe.

I mean, I think that's the big answer. When somebody can confidently say that, I will live next to a nuclear power plant or a nuclear facility, then that's when nuclear is safe.

No one wants to live next to a waste management facility either, but people do. You got to do it. can't imagine they're going to plop nuclear reactors in highly densely populated areas.

Alicia McKenzie (18:50.686)

You don't know that. You've seen crazier things happen.

So I think that's, yeah, maybe those are the companies that will emerge as more of the high touch human.

The ones that like actually focus on real human skills like listening and creating and accountability and actual networking and teaching you how to be in a room and be uncomfortable and be okay with that. I don't know how I feel about it.

creating.

George McKenzie (19:13.006)

we shall see. I don't know, it could go incredibly awesome and enable us to do things we've never done before as humanity and maybe help with poverty and access to medical treatment and counseling and all those things or it could go horribly, horribly wrong.

You could kill all of humanity.

Yep. 50-50 chance. Probably more skewed than that. Topic number two. Let's talk about little league sports.

Let's not talk about little leeks for it. Why?

A winning at all cost personality.

Alicia McKenzie (19:46.882)

Okay, no, let me actually I do like that because this is something that I did want to bring up and it is that I feel like you should go into coaching like for real for real I Don't think I've maybe like I don't think I've seen you enjoy anything more than like being on the baseball field and like even when you're not coaching you're still annoyingly coaching and I have to stop you because you're not the coach of that team, but I feel like that is something that is a pursuit and

Maybe.

Alicia McKenzie (20:16.062)

not only because you're good at it, but because it's important. I think that the skills that our kids learn playing sports and just being in that environment is so vital for the upcoming generation.

Yeah, I think sports teaches a lot of life lessons, especially team sports. think it's, you know, teaches you how to interact with others, how to be a part of a team and how even if, you know, you could be the best at it, but, or the best at anything. And it doesn't mean you're going to be successful because if you, can't motivate and empower others to be a part of it, then you'll never be successful. then, you know, and I love baseball because you lose.

almost 70 % of the time that you're going to strike out or be out 70 % of the time. And it's a great lesson in perseverance and it conveys to life. think that's where we, youth sports are having some issues in our country is we take the life lesson part of out of it and make it about sports and about, okay, I'm going to convince parents to spend tons of money because there's a one in a million, one in a billion chance this kid could be a professional athlete. So I'm going to.

Pray on that from every parent and soak as much money out as possible.

How do you fix that though?

George McKenzie (21:34.254)

I think it's got to be fixed locally. Like everyone's got to stop running to travel and all these things and we got to get

You know I'm side-eyeing that travel.

Yeah, and get back into, you know, youth sports and the rec and making that a bigger part of the community. Sure. We see it at our little league. I'm just focused on baseball now, but our little league and it's that Saturday and Thursday night experience where you go there and kids are running around, they hit the snack bar and they're playing all day long at the park and they're watching their friends game and then their friends watch their game. And it's just a fun.

atmosphere and you can get better and you can learn the game and you can interact and learn all of the life lessons and it doesn't, it can be competitive as competitive as you want it to be but at the end of the day the goal should be you know having fun getting better and kids doing their best as long as everybody at a rec league is on that same you know is aligned on the strategy and the goals and then you build a program to promote those goals. think where we get lost is we flip the goal.

to be winning. And then we teach winning at all costs, right? And then that translates into, you know, adults that don't know how to lose and adults that don't know how to win graciously. And I think that translates to business, to parenting, to everything. It's like when in the business sense, you know, if you are, you run a good company, you deliver great value to your customers and you're not trying to win all the time. You're trying to, you know, be valuable, right? Produce something.

George McKenzie (23:12.958)

have customer engagement, customer success, then it breeds growth. And if you're a great team leader, whether you're the leader of the company or you're leader of your small team, or you're just an individual contributor on your team, but you realize how to be part of a team and that success is greater than the sum of its parts. So if you get enough people that are all aligned, you can achieve great things. that's, you know, I love that book, Tribal Leadership. I think it's fantastic. And it kind of talks to that. And I think if you look at

Little league sports are youth sports. They're just little tribes. And if you can convince people to invest the time, effort, and energy to make those things enjoyable and not push kids out of it because of the competitiveness of it, I think we'll have better business leaders and better adults. Like in a business too, having ethics and being abiding by the rules and then learning how to succeed.

By helping others succeed. think a lot of times in business, we get a lot of the same culture where it's a win at all costs. So I'm going to beat my competitor no matter what that means. I got to price cut them and I'm going to drive them out of business or I'm going to find a way in which I can win. And then once I win against my competitor, and then I'll just take government contracting as a simple example. So I'll find out.

scrupulously or unscrupulously. Like what's the price to win or I've negotiated or I sold the customer better. I understand more about the requirements than someone else does. And then I help influence the RFI or RFQ in a way that skews it toward my advantage. And then I win on price. Let's say I understand what my competitor is going to bid or I lowball the price knowing that I can't actually do the work for that price. And then I win the work and then, you know, I mod the contract to get profit. And that's

Perfectly legal, but is it ethical? Is it the best value proposition for our government? Probably not. Right? Because I've been taught that I'm going to win at all costs and this is the way to win. And the people that are on my board and maybe by investors, all they want to do is win too. So everyone's just focused on winning at all costs.

Alicia McKenzie (25:21.518)

which was probably learned in their little league sports.

I was learned somewhere in life, right? Somewhere in life you learn that winning is all that matters. And if you win, it doesn't matter how you won. Yeah.

And I mean, mind you, this is coming from two people who really, really like.

Oh, I love to win and I'll skirt the rules or I'll push to the edge of the rules as much as I possibly can. But I think at the end of the day, you want to play the game within the rules.

Yeah, and providing a service, being valuable, like winning with bullshit products.

George McKenzie (25:51.648)

Exactly. There's a lot of people that make a lot of money selling garbage. Selling shit you don't need. Right. And then, you'll win in the short term. Maybe you have a successful company and you make a lot of money, but what are you doing for the future generations or your children or humanity as a whole? I'm not saying everyone has to have that lofty a goal. mean, but if you're the neighborhood general store.

That is slowly destroying our planet.

George McKenzie (26:19.57)

You're providing value to your community or you're running a nonprofit or whatever you're doing. Like you can succeed there and have a successful, happy life and not need to win. If we redefine what winning means.

Okay, let's talk about forging relationships. Yes. Because this is something that I have had to do more of recently as I grow and like try to create a business. Like you have to have the relationships, but at what point does the relationship mindset change in that I only want to be your friend if you can provide me something? Yeah.

I know. think we've talked about that before. I can't remember the guy's name, but he does the classes on happiness at Harvard Business School. And I think a lot of the stuff he says, obviously he knows what he's talking about, so it makes a lot of sense. And then he goes into one that to be happy, you got to have a lot of real friends, not deal friends. And I think that people get lost in that deal friend thing. even in, I think that's that small town Americana that's lost.

has changed into what we are today is everyone looks at everybody, especially in the Northern Virginia area, let's say. And I'm sure it's like this in Hollywood, even worse, in LA and other places. But you look at everyone as an opportunity. What do you do? What do do for a living? What do you do for a Oh, and then you try to figure out, oh, let me build my Rolodex of people I know so that I can exchange favors, use it to get ahead, sell them something.

all the big place.

George McKenzie (27:53.346)

get money from them somehow. And it's just, and I'm sure I thought that way once too, but as you get older and you realize that I've never been a great salesperson.

Maybe this is why it's so ick to us because we don't do sales. We're not good at it. But some of the best people that do sales have never sold me anything. I have gone to them for what I needed. We had a friend who was a car dealership here, or owned a car dealership here. And never once did he ever mention about me buying a car. And look, one of our last cars I went and bought from him because

he was who he was, right? It's not like he ever looked at us as like, they're a mark, they're gonna buy a car from me. Or maybe he did, and he was just really low key about it. But regardless, it never felt sleazy or ingenuine. When it starts to feel like you're only talking to me because of what you think I can give you. Yeah, or I'm not a fan.

Or I'm trying to be a member someplace, or I'm trying to get my kids into the school, or I'm trying to move into this neighborhood, or I'm trying to be here because it will open up the aperture for me to land new clients or me to do X, Y, or Z. And I'm just, I get it, you have to land new clients. I just don't like that mindset, right? Of I'm going to make deal friends. I'm just, it's interesting how...

If you start to look at the world that way and just, you make real friends, you're gonna have positive interactions and you talk to people and you, I've made it a personal kind of goal is I never ask people what they do for a living. I talk about what do they do for fun? What do do? Because I just don't want to talk about it because then the inevitable, question comes back at you and then it's a, everyone's trying to figure out who's going to sell who or who's going to do what. Yeah. Just don't care.

Alicia McKenzie (29:31.032)

Yeah.

Alicia McKenzie (29:35.276)

last book you read.

Alicia McKenzie (29:46.52)

No, one of my favorite ones is like, what podcast are you listening to? Because a lot of people listen to podcasts in this area. And I've gotten some really cool ones, like a girlfriend of mine, she's like, you need to go listen to Tennis IQ. Because it's not only about tennis, it's how it can relate to your kids and how it relates to work and just the same mindset. And there was actually a really good tip that she gave me from it. And she said that when you're in that pressure moment, focus on what your body's doing.

Right, like focus on your breathing, focus on your footwork, really, really look at the footwork. And she told her son that on the pitcher's mound, and he has been pitching his ass off.

Yeah, I think that's good. That and yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure they talked about it, the tennis thing, or they will if they haven't already talked about it in the podcast. But it's the same when you're doing business, when you're doing presentations, like I've never had a problem doing presentations or talking in front of groups. I hate it. It's never really bothered me. But when I talk to people that do, and for me, what I think about is I'm a big positive self-taught guy. So I talk to myself in my head before I do things. That's some of the things I'm trying to preach in.

you know, coaching and little league baseball is that that positive self-talk, like as you're walking up to the plate, positive self-talk. I'm a great hitter. I'm going to hit the ball hard. You swing and you miss. Oh, that's okay. I'm a great hitter. I'm going to hit the ball hard. And I do the same thing in business when I'm doing a sales pitch, walking to the, Hey, I'm a good salesman. You know, I know more about the subject than anybody else. I'm going to go knock this out of the park. Right. And when you get up to present, no one knows your presentation better than you. So you go up there like, I know this material better than anybody else because

Someone may be more authoritative on the subject in general, but they're not more authoritative on this presentation because this presentation is mine. I created it. know more about it than anybody else. I'm going to rock this out. and cause most of it comes from self doubt. then once you start manifesting that self doubt in your head, it's going to come out in action.

Alicia McKenzie (31:44.91)

But you got to that point because you learned the business, you learned what you were doing. You just didn't come in blind and be like, yeah, I'm just gonna, let's see what the fuck happens.

Alicia McKenzie (32:35.052)

That's amazing.

Alicia McKenzie (33:04.046)

Okay, so last question then, because I know you have a meeting to go to. I do. But if somebody shows up to an in-person interview, head to toe, suit, tie, briefcase, what is your first thought?

Alicia McKenzie (33:25.39)

And I listened to a podcast the other day and the interviewer was like, I have no idea who you are now because I know you don't dress like this Monday through Friday. Right? He said it felt very inauthentic because that is not, that's not who you are. now, right? That's what I mean. Like what's, what's your take? Maybe it's a generational thing too.

Alicia McKenzie (34:59.502)

So what I'm hearing is that khakis button down, if that is what you normally wear to go somewhere nice, then wear that all the time.

Alicia McKenzie (35:10.975)

Yeah, right? Like don't come in a three-piece suit and a briefcase if that is not you at all, right? Like you're 22 years old. We know that's not what you wear Monday through Friday. True.

Alicia McKenzie (35:47.094)

Watching the multiple iterations of you, because I remember when you ran your first company, like you, your tie collection was insane. remember because I bought all the ties. then when you sold the company and you went somewhere else, you were like, I am never putting on a tie ever again. And you've lived to that.

That's what it is.

Alicia McKenzie (36:15.438)

All right,

Alicia McKenzie (36:22.946)

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