Alicia McKenzie (00:00.066)

There's no greatness. Like nobody's born with greatness. You're born with the ability to sludge through shit constantly when you don't feel like it. And I think that's true in business. That's true in life. That's true in marriage. Nobody is motivated all the time.

If you get up at the same time every day and you run a plan and you have a plan for your life and you're doing things on a schedule, doing the hard things, right? And you keep doing those and you stack enough of that stuff together. That's how you get greatness.

Welcome to Married to the Startup. I'm Alicia MacKenzie, a wellness entrepreneur and digital creator. Alongside me is my amazing husband, George, the CEO who's always ready for a new challenge. We've been navigating marriage and running startups for over a decade, and we're here to share the real, unfiltered journey with you. Join us for insights and candid conversations about integrating love, family, and entrepreneurship. This is Married to the Startup, where every day is a new adventure.

You're on. Welcome, episode 47.

No, you're on.

George McKenzie (01:03.276)

Welcome episode, you're welcoming episode 47 into the world. Is that what's happening?

I am. are birthing a new episode into the world.

Wow, the labor was terrible.

It was. It's hard out here. On the house.

is having labor paint. Alicia Mackenzie. I am. That is your name? I am Jorge.

Alicia McKenzie (01:20.469)

is in you are.

It's very, All right, so first, I actually want to start off with, we welcomed a new baby into the house.

Exactly.

George McKenzie (01:34.25)

Speaking of birthing.

Speaking of birthing, his name is Fitzgerald Grant III, and he's perfect. He went to his first doctor's appointment yesterday.

I love it.

George McKenzie (01:44.738)

I liked how the doctor said, are the other two? Since he's the third. we're like, no, we just named him the third. Yes, but normally that would be the third in the line of Fitzgerald-Grantz, but it is not. It is the first.

But he is, he's the third puppy.

Alicia McKenzie (02:00.174)

He's the third Mackenzie puppy, is why he's Fitzgerald Grant the third, but also scandal. So it doesn't really make sense, but it is what it is. He's amazing and he's acclimating so well to the household. Everybody loves him.

Oliver actually playing in my office this morning. They were really running like playing.

Yeah, it's very sweet.

That was cute. Which when we tell people we got a third dog, everybody looks at us like we're crazy.

Yep, three dogs, five kids, and a mother-in-law. Well, four kids. It is a full house.

Alicia McKenzie (02:30.85)

But also, what did you get, dear? What did you get on the same day I got Fitzgerald

I took possession of something that I had ordered months ago. Fully customized Sprinter van that seats nine with 32 inch television and upgraded speakers and fully articulating for captain's chairs with a table and a bench. It's pretty amazing.

And that would be.

Alicia McKenzie (02:55.712)

If I were to be completely honest, I think you are more excited about the Sprinter van than you were about a Lamborghini. It's entirely possible. And you took it to like a tournament last weekend, a baseball tournament. it's just, it's a very large, it's a very large vehicle. Yeah. So Mackenzie, you're just living it up. We are. Unemployed.

It's possible

George McKenzie (03:22.638)

They are. I do the RV life just in very small increments.

tournaments. All right. So I think our first topic of the day, we're going to start with a good list. Everybody loves a list. This list is nine phrases that make you sound arrogant.

Should we not use them?

I think the article postures that there's a difference between being confident and being arrogant. And you can be confident in your words and use words that are powerful, but not use words that make you sound arrogant.

Okay, how many people do we know that say obviously? A lot. you think that's really, do you really think that's?

George McKenzie (04:00.012)

a lot.

George McKenzie (04:03.63)

It's quite demeaning when you go, obviously that's not what I meant. It's like you are an idiot for not knowing that.

I think we use the word obviously when we know we're trying to be sarcastic.

Well, yes, that's one way, but some people use it in a more demeaning way. Like, obviously we should be going to here or obviously that was the right choice.

I don't know those people.

Yeah, well, they exist.

Alicia McKenzie (04:29.664)

Maybe we've done a good job at just separating out those people.

Right, well, if you're teetering on whether you're it obviously correctly, maybe you should come up with a different term.

Okay, I already knew that.

Yeah, that's definitely an arrogant one.

I already knew that. You know who says this more than any generation?

George McKenzie (04:51.97)

The younger kids? Yes. Yeah, I could see that.

my gosh, having a conversation with like a 16, 17 or 18 year old and they're like, well, I already knew that. But did you? But did you?

The arrogance of youth.

They're very hard generation to deal with because of the access to social media.

I'm just access to everything. They are overly informed, or I guess overly informed, but you know, very unknowledgeable. Like they know the thumbnail sketch of various topics based on what TikTok has told them or the headline. And they didn't actually do any real research on it. They just listened to the 15 second snippet. And now that's their informed opinion.

Alicia McKenzie (05:19.008)

No, they're very, I think they're-

Alicia McKenzie (05:41.182)

Yes, I would agree. There we go. Confidently ignorant. Like they are ignorant and they don't even know it. So I had an interview today with a publication about the new book and yeah, it's also about words. It's my new children's book. But he asked me, he's like off the record. He's like, you have five kids. How are you raising?

Confidently ignorant.

George McKenzie (05:56.462)

Which is also about word.

Alicia McKenzie (06:06.774)

these five kids and he's like, as much as I hate to say this in these unprecedented times.

unprecedented times. That seems like an overutilized term.

It is, but I feel like everything is so impressive.

It is I mean it's a weird world we live in right now and it kind of goes back to five I supported you that article about George Clooney and moving to France and Citing the reason they did so was to he didn't want to raise his kids in Hollywood because he didn't think they'd get a fair shake So he'd rather go somewhere where? In France no one cares that he's George Clooney the movie star no one cares that these are George Clooney's kids No one gives a shit. You're just another person who what they do for a living is acting where?

You know, I work at the local, you know, connexoria or whatever. I work at the cheese shop or I work, I'm a farmer. Like who gives a shit? We're all just doing something and we live on this planet and have the same life experience.

Alicia McKenzie (07:01.664)

Is that how they treat him over there? Yeah. Is he just nondescript?

Yeah, he got in a, I remember a few years ago, got in a moped accident. Like we, was all over our headlines, but it was just some rural road where he got hit by car and no big deal. It's just another guy on a moped.

I kind of loved that he did that. Not got hit by a moped, but like moved to France to just be one of the people. know.

I think about it all the time. I'm hooked on a ruba right now.

Could we really live in Aruba though? I actually just saw a headline article come through saying that warmer countries, I think they do worse fiscally. That's because nobody wants to work. Nobody wants to make money.

George McKenzie (07:40.494)

Yeah, you don't want to work.

Is that the purpose of life to make money? No. Exactly. So who's doing it right? I mean, it's part of the machine that's forcing you to make money so you can buy things you don't need and work. And work your life away versus actually live your life.

you don't like.

Alicia McKenzie (08:02.956)

Indeed. But yes, back to the interview that I had today, he was so dumbfounded that we'd have five kids. And he's like, well, how are you raising them? And how do you handle all the stuff that comes across the media? And I just think my first response was that we're very intentional about what is on the television in the house. We don't keep news on in the background because it's

We used to up until probably two or three years ago, maybe three or four. Maybe it might've been. It was like after COVID. was like shortly after COVID, we just stopped having news on in the afternoons. Like we used to have it on from three until like dinner. It would just be on. And then like with the COVID and it was a constant death and the numbers and fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. We just decided, hey, we're just not going to listen to it.

Yeah. And I think we've had this conversation before, but like, is it just the news in the Washington, DC area? Is this the news everywhere?

Yeah, I don't know. think when we go to South Carolina, the news is different. A lot more local stories. And I guess the problem with the DC area is the local stories are the national stories. And like there, it's more of, know, Shems Creek, you know, the, it's the clam dig.

Yeah, I would agree.

Alicia McKenzie (09:08.142)

Okay. Right. Yeah.

Alicia McKenzie (09:16.822)

It's so cute and wholesome. Yeah. So it's like intentional about what is on the TV. Like we don't let the news just play randomly, but we also don't allow them access to the internet, right? They do not have iPads. They don't have cell phones. Michaela just got her cell phone in eighth grade. No social media. It takes a lot of intention to raise five kids right now. Yeah.

different.

George McKenzie (09:38.444)

like intentions with your words.

Indeed, just like saying it's common sense. I actually have not heard this one ever.

No, I think people go, hey, it's just common sense. Never heard of I could see if someone, I think I've heard it before. I don't think I've ever used it, but like if someone gives you a compliment, right? Be like, I'm trying to think of a.

Yeah.

Alicia McKenzie (09:59.598)

You're clearly not an arrogant person.

It's like if someone goes, wow, how did you know how to do that? And you're like, it's really common sense.

Okay, not to brag but

people do that all the time. The back door compliments, back door brags. Not the brag, but I was the starting quarterback for...

not to brag.

Alicia McKenzie (10:20.384)

Again, I've never said that. Yeah. I wouldn't expect you to understand. That's just mean. That's not arrogant. That just makes you an asshole.

40 year old flag football team.

George McKenzie (10:32.204)

Yeah, well I think that's, yeah, assholeness is a very broad definition. I think most arrogant people fall into the asshole category.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. Why would you even say that to somebody? That's just not nice.

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Use kind words, people. It's just not nice. I don't have the time for this. I feel like I've said this. I've definitely said this, but it's more so, I don't think I've ever said it to our kids. I don't know. What is a better way to say that? I'm not doing this right now. I mean, I've said that before too.

People say that a lot.

George McKenzie (11:03.83)

No. What's a better way to say that?

George McKenzie (11:11.15)

It's worse. Is it? I don't have time for this. I'm not doing this right now.

I'm going to table this? what's a better way to say that? Let's table this conversation.

Yeah, maybe that's it.

Yeah, yeah, this conversation deserves more time than we can spend right now on it, so let's circle back. it?

Let's... I had another one in my head, but I forgot it. Maybe, I don't know. I just... I have a hard time with unproductive conversations. you're a lot nicer than I am. But that's not true.

George McKenzie (11:32.59)

is my one so good?

George McKenzie (11:40.341)

I am fairly nice. It is. I'm a very nice person. People just don't, you know, I just am very selective as to who I actually hang out with. So the people that aren't in that circle think maybe think I'm a jerk, I talk to people.

That's entirely possible. I've never had a problem with that. Or I never have a problem with that. That's another...

that is one. That's one I'm sure I've said before. Really? Or a lot of people said that. Like, but I'm sure, maybe I've used it differently. Like, you the McLean butcher, the lines are always so long. And you're like, I've never had a problem.

Okay, that's because we go at like 10 o'clock in the morning. Maybe that's more privilege than arrogance. I'm sorry you feel that way.

Yeah.

George McKenzie (12:25.55)

that is one you've used. 100%.

Yep, absolutely. Have absolutely used this. Try using and instead of but. Okay, okay. I'm sorry you feel that way and. Okay, I've used it in that context instead of but.

Okay, I'm sorry you feel that way. And I'd like to make it up to you.

and no like I'm sorry you feel that way and I completely apologize right like I've said things like that okay right it's like

As opposed to just ending it. like, you made me feel insecure. Well, I'm sorry you felt that way, but that wasn't my intention.

Alicia McKenzie (12:58.562)

I'm sorry you filmed that.

Alicia McKenzie (13:05.28)

Yeah, right. It's like taking ownership. Okay, like I made you feel this way. I'm sorry. That's a you probably. Number nine, no offense, but

Yeah, versus that's how you feel.

Alicia McKenzie (13:18.104)

That's, I don't know. Is that arrogance? Yeah.

Yeah. mean, you're kind of, mean, I, that turn of phrase always gets me. It's like, whatever follows that is offensive. No offense, but here's the offensive part.

Absolutely.

Alicia McKenzie (13:32.398)

I don't know. Okay, so tips to sound, I guess tips to sound less arrogant, ask before offering input. And this is like number one, when you and I talk, it's like sometimes I just want to vent and sometimes I just want a solution. Great. And then saying that upfront. same thing with our kids. Yeah. Right? Like I'm like, okay, do you want me to problem solve or do you just want to vent? And they'll be like, I want to vent.

Yes. Same.

George McKenzie (13:57.87)

I thought that was, I was listening to some of these coaches network stuff. Did I talk about this before? No. GCBN? Yeah. And I was listening to a couple professional baseball players when they were talking about it and one was a successful coach and scout. And he had a very cool thing that I'm trying to put into practice. And it's more of the similar discussion where he said growing up, like his kid is playing in the, you know, it was a major league draft pick and he's in the AAA farm system right now.

He remember when he was growing up, was a lot of, had to learn to have a conversation with his son and start a lot of conversations with, hey, do you want to talk to dad or do you want to talk to coach? Because they're two different answers. And sometimes his son just wanted to vent to his dad and talk about what went wrong or what's happening or, you know, and just have his father talk to him. And then at other times he needed coaching advice, like, hey, how do I fix?

I'm not hitting line drives, I'm getting on the ball or whatever, right? It's just, yeah, it's interesting. yeah, something I'm trying to also input next back to the asking.

Do you want a solution or do you just want to vent? Because I can do both. I can do both. I think we actually had some friends that he coached his son, but what year did he stop coaching him? Because it was just, it was too hard on like the father-son relationship. Do you remember? It's our neighbor.

Coach, what do want dad?

George McKenzie (15:19.074)

Yeah, I think it was coming out of Maters, so 12, 13.

Yeah. Okay. So you were almost there. Yeah. How long do plan on coaching your son? No.

Probably not that much longer. No, I think he gets, he listens better already today and his travel baseball than it does to me. Yeah.

Sometimes, yeah, it's not like he's getting bad advice. I don't care where he gets it from.

Yeah, no, I think that's the village though, right? You have a village.

George McKenzie (15:46.014)

And sometimes you hear different and the same like, you know, even in little league, like our assistant coaches will tell me, Hey, tell my son this because he listens to you. doesn't listen to me.

Yeah, very true. Very true. Okay. All right. Moving on. Okay. Let's chat about the difference between greatness and just being good. Greatness and goodness. This is something that I learned back in our CrossFit days. And being good at CrossFit, being good at weightlifting is just what's the definition of virtuosity.

Goodness.

George McKenzie (16:18.926)

I don't know. What is? Inform me.

It is doing the simple things incredibly well. That is something that I learned from CrossFit like 20 years ago. And it's just, it's stuck with me ever since. Like it's doing the small things over and over and over again until it leads to something great. There's no greatness. Like nobody's born with greatness. You're born with the ability to sludge through shit constantly when you don't feel like it.

And I think that's true in business, that's true in life, that's true in marriage, that's true in your body, your health, your wellness. Like nobody is motivated all the time. And that's what this article is just, it states it really well and it's a really long article.

Like we said before, there's not a lot of novel concepts and I say it like I do it with sports a lot like the games haven't changed that much in a hundred years, but there's still new techniques or ways to teach the same things and doing you know, if you get up at the same time every day and you run a plan and you have a plan for your life and you're doing things on a schedule doing the hard things, right? And you keep doing those and you stack enough of that stuff together. I think that's that's how you get greatness.

And it's doing the little things, being consistent. Consistency is one of the hardest things to teach and master. But if you do it, right? That's, know, how do you have a great company? How do you be a better person? It's stacking good decisions or small decisions and you just keep doing it. Keep stacking them up.

Alicia McKenzie (17:54.446)

So a lot of times I think people go into business for the wrong reasons. People are going into business for the notoriety or to make money to buy all the shit. And that is not a good reason. You should have a service, a product that fills a gap in the market. You should enjoy working on that service or product that fills a gap in the market.

Yeah, it shouldn't be.

George McKenzie (18:19.726)

Be passionate about it and whatever you produce has to be of value to the people consuming it. not providing value, you don't have a business.

Absolutely.

But I think with one comes the other. Most times.

Yeah, most times. Yeah, but there's a lot of, and I think that's what the article is posturing. Like, you know, don't be afraid to be great. And being great is doing the good things over and over and over again, being consistent with the good things. Like a lot of people start a business, have a side hustle, do whatever. you know, when the consistency comes in, when you got to keep, you know, chopping wood and carrying water every day, day after day, people, the people that aren't successful that don't become great.

are the ones that say, I'm going to do something else. I'm tired of this. This isn't working. As opposed to, no, I'm going to be successful. I'm going to make it work every day. I'm going to keep chopping wood and carrying water. I'm going to do it every day no matter what. And those things will yield positive results. That whole burn the bridge behind you philosophy, just keep doing it. I'm going to find my way through. And like you say it all the time, and I struggle with it sometimes, like, progress is linear. The fallacy, some people go, oh, it's not linear. OK, so it's not a straight.

George McKenzie (19:31.64)

curve up and up and to the right, it's going to be stair step where I'm going to make a lot of progress and then I kind of have where I plateau and then I make progress again and then plateau and then I make progress again and then I plateau. That's not really what happens either. It's more of progress, progress, progress, regression, progress, progress, progress, regression. And you just keep stacking progresses and being consistent in what you do. The regressions pull you back, but you consistently continue to climb the new height.

And I think the famous saying from Napoleon Hill is like, if you cannot do great things, do small things in a great way. And it's just doing just the littlest step one day, and then that's it. That's all you did. But at least it was amazing. And it was tiny. And then you go to bed, and you wake up, and you do it again.

And there was another quote, I don't know who was credited with the quote in there. I'm trying to remember it exactly, but it's like, man who wakes up at 6 a.m. every day has a poor family. Right? And I thought that was interesting. Like it's that consistency. If you're consistently getting up early before the sun and doing stuff, that will yield positive results. 630.

What time do I normally wake up? So I do, I wake up between six and six thirty every day without an alarm clock. And for the last like, what is it, five days maybe before I like laid into because it was really pissing me off. He had an alarm set at like five forty five and it was the most alarm. Like it was just what was it? It was a siren.

Yeah. And we had that back in when we were in California to make sure we got up to get ready to drive to the airport.

Alicia McKenzie (21:11.662)

And that alarm has been going on every day.

I about it and then turned off at 545 amp and I forget to disable it and the next day comes and does it again.

And it has been jerking me awake like every weekday for the past week and it has been pissing me off so bad. And I was like, if you don't turn that alarm off, I'm going to smother you in your sleep tonight.

All right, you heard it here, It's on record. If I die from asphyxiation in bed, you know why.

because he drank too much and fell asleep in the pool.

George McKenzie (21:42.446)

And the pole in my bed. Yeah, okay

All the Matthew Perry. Oh, was sad. so his alarm was jerking me awake every day for like the last, and it's really been messing up my mornings, but consistently between 6 a.m. and 6 30 every day without an alarm. And it's just a routine.

when I was a hud.

George McKenzie (22:02.894)

Yeah. I think that's, that was the good thing about that article is, you know, don't be afraid to be great and to get to greatness. have to do the little things and just be consistent at it. you know, start stacking good decisions, get up early, get up at the same time every day.

I always go back to defense point days when we went from you working full time and running DPS on the side to, all right, we have to go all in. Everybody quit their jobs. Like, cushy ass, consistently well paying jobs and went full bore into DPS and transferring money back and forth to make payroll and...

our girls were stuffing envelopes on the side for parties. Like, I remember all of it so vividly.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade that for anything after that.

That was great. was the best of times. It was the best of times. And it wasn't easy. That's not to say like we were rolling in the dough, but it was like...

George McKenzie (22:59.35)

Yeah, but yeah, every day was you get up and there was no other thought of how am going to make today successful? What am I going to do today?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm very nostalgic on the GPS days. Me too. That was a good time. It was. Good time in our life. Minus the fact that we were down like three kids and two dogs. Yeah.

Yeah, and we were running across the gym at the same time.

were the amount of competing. Yeah. And like being highly successful athletes.

Yeah, was an interesting time. We were younger.

Alicia McKenzie (23:27.678)

We weren't that much younger. We weren't that much younger. But I think it's just like keeping your... Somebody said something about flipping the progress chart upside down and making it be like a river. Right? Right. So like the bottom is at the top and then the top is at the bottom. Right? Like your starting point is at the top and where you want to go is in the bottom corner. And you are flowing downhill in a river.

Okay, elaborate.

George McKenzie (23:56.718)

So you're going downhill towards your destination versus uphill.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Right? It's like learning to flow with it instead of trying to fight. Yeah. Be like water, flow.

Be like water.

Mm-hmm.

All right, moving on. What's our last little thing? I'm a bobber.

George McKenzie (24:13.422)

think it's about plans. I think it ties in nicely with the doing the little things. And I think it's, there was a couple articles really around the power of a plan, power of writing things down, right? And then I think one of the articles was saying that they've done studies and businesses are 30 % more successful, the ones that actually write down a plan. And that doesn't mean that, and I've talked about it many times, it doesn't mean sitting down doing a strategy and then executing that strategy to the end.

Definitely,

George McKenzie (24:42.626)

degree, but it's creating a strategy, you have something and then saying, okay, what's the plan to achieve that goal? And then what are the measuring milestones to get me there? And what are the KPIs that I'm going to look at for lead and lag indicators of if I'm on track?

seems so obvious, right?

And then you adjust. So then if you write that plan, that plan's going to change. It's never going to be like set in stone that this is the plan. And five years later, look back, wow, we nailed it on that plan. It's going to be, the plan's at sale. Do something. Set sale. And then we made adjustments in course as the wind dictated. But that's what I think the article is saying is that you have to do it. You have to make a plan, write it down, and go.

Yeah, so companies that have a written down plan grow 30 % faster.

Yeah. So, I mean, and then it forces you to not be inconsistent. Like back to the last article, be consistent. This is the plan. We're going to stay on plan. These are the things we're going to do. These are the milestones we're going to hit. And this is how we're going to measure success against the plan versus, you know, letting, being led astray by shiny objects.

Alicia McKenzie (25:54.488)

Shining object syndrome like ooh, let's work on this project. Let's work on this project

So writing it down, even if the plan's not perfect. And that's the other thing is don't let perfection stand in way of progress. You just gotta make a plan, be consistent and execute. And it's the same with sports, the same with parenting. Like I think I'm a firm believer in that in parenting that you have to be consistent. So if it's no iPads, it can't be no iPads on Tuesdays and then, you can have iPads on Wednesdays and then no iPads on Thursdays. You have to be consistent.

And I feel like I'm okay with TV. I know some parents don't do TV during the weekdays. Our kids aren't. mean...

they do Netflix and they watch.

They watch like full house. It's really cute. Like some of the stuff they watch me like watches takes me back to my childhood. Like they're watching Fuller House now. And I think it's great. Like some some mindless 30 minutes of TV as long as homework is done. But it's like having a plan for anything in life. Right. We have a plan to raise our kids. We have a plan for our health and wellness, which I am having such a hard time willing myself to work out, babe.

George McKenzie (26:50.69)

Yes, as long as homework is done.

George McKenzie (27:04.756)

I've gotten in my groove now.

I know you have. I know you have.

But it's not the consistency I did when I was 30.

But it's super annoying. Like, I know I need to strength train three times a week, and I'm like down to like once a week, maybe. But I just don't want to do any of it.

I only strength train twice a week.

George McKenzie (27:24.386)

You gotta be consistent. You gotta set a plan, write it down, execute it. it today's week and find the, like every day I'm gonna do it at this time.

I wish my days were that consistent.

You're the designer of your own life. You gotta pare down. Sometimes you have to, you gotta pare down things you do. Matthew McConaughey in his book Greenlights, he talked about, or he does it in some of these Lincoln commercials, right? You gotta find out who you're not to find out who you are or something like that. sometimes you gotta pare. And he did that and he talked about in his book that he had all these projects going on, right? And he had movies and he was a producer and he was doing this and he was doing that. And he had like,

There's a lot going on right now. Maybe.

George McKenzie (28:05.858)

five or 10 different companies all doing things. were all successful businesses, just varying degrees. And he called his business manager and said, hey, I'm going to close them all.

profit

Alicia McKenzie (28:17.669)

Ooh, he closed them all.

Yeah, because I'm going to focus on what I want to do, which is, you know, I'm going to work on acting only and taking serious roles. No more rom-coms and I'm going to cut everything else out. This is what I'm going to do.

So are we going to acknowledge the level of privilege that that

It is, it is, but yeah, like we talked about before, sometimes you may have to make the hard choices and it's maybe I have to dial my lifestyle back or have to do this, that to get to a life I want to live. If the life you want to live, set the plan of how do I get from where I am today to where I want to be and be honest with yourself. And I think that's where a lot of people go astray because you get led down a path by social media or

TV or magazines or whatever that says, to be happy, this is the life I need. need to have private jet money. need to be on the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Like this is what I need to be happy. And if you're honest with yourself, what do I really need to be happy? And it's probably a lot less than that. Probably none of those things. And all right, if that's what I want and it's time, that's what I really want. I want time. Okay. So how do I set my life up to give me more time?

Alicia McKenzie (29:29.378)

This just makes me really thankful for our super close friends.

Yeah. Yeah. I love our friends, the ones that are in the circle, the ones that don't tell you, it's not calling you on your bullshit, but it's to say the thing that should be said that other people just don't say. Because people like, think we're thinking about the same thing, but some people, they have a hard time of like, wow, you're running this company, you're doing all this work, you're being successful, you're going to grow this company and blah, blah. And then there's other people that look at it and go, why are you working so hard? Right?

Like, because you're like, you have the life you want. Why are you giving away all of your time toward this thing? it's a different viewpoint. It's hard to, when you're in the whirlwind, it's hard to see outside. And you just say, I've got to keep doing this because I'm being consistent. And other people are like, yeah, consistency is great as long as it's not in conflict with what your goals are.

and

George McKenzie (30:29.638)

Your goal is to maximize your time and enjoy your life and be with your family and friends and those things. And the thing you're doing is taking away from all those things. And is it really about greatness?

Absolutely. All right. That's all for today.

I am thankful this episode's over.

Aww, I could talk to you forever, babe.

We do talk first. It's not like that's people may not know. It's like this episode never ends.

Alicia McKenzie (30:52.97)

It's just like one big episode. This is just little snippets.

That's the reason why we did the podcast to begin with, because we talk like this all the time. It's not like prepped or staged. This is just, hey, let's record for 30 minutes to sit. know what we talk about.

I know. It's kind of crazy. These are just the conversations and the articles that we're constantly consuming and talking about. you just get a little snippet of it. Mm-hmm. right. We'll be back next week.

Adios!

Alicia McKenzie (31:23.522)

Thank you for tuning into Mary to the startup. We hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you did, please take a moment to like, rate and subscribe to our podcast. Your support helps us reach more people and keeps the conversation going. If you have any questions or topics you'd like us to cover, drop me a message. I love hearing from you guys until next time. George out.